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Oct 3, 2021

Mike Hayes was Navy SEAL for 20 years, with tours in Iraq and Afghanistan.
He then became a White House fellow in Bush and Obama administrations as Director of Defense Policy and Strategies, followed by a career in the private sector.

In his book "Never Enough: A Navy SEAL Commander on Living a Life of Excellence, Agility, and Meaning"
he describes the lessons learned during his career about the importance of meaning and impact.

Profits from the book go to a 501c3 charity that pays off the mortgages of Gold Star families.

Some takeaways from today's conversation:

Doing the hard thing in corporate America.

Owning our opinions and being honest with each other.

Dynamic subordination- maintaining the agility to be where we need to be under the circumstances.

Three phases of a career:
1-getting good at something.
2-having to show the world how good you are.
3-knowing you no longer need to show how good you are.

Leaders gain authority by giving it away.

Learning HOW to think, not WHAT to think. 1-Data, 2-logic, and then 3- forming an opinion.


Bill Hart is a coach in the mortgage industry, and  the author of the book "White Collar Warrior: Lessons for Sales Professionals from America's Military Elite".

Podcast produced by Studio C Creative Sound in San Diego CA